is involved in, that is ohio and wisconsin and michigan and florida and new jersey. is this, you think, just a basic strategy that romney is using just to get more favor or does he really believe that collective bargaining is not good for the american worker? >> well, i think, again, he's flip-flopping to deal with the right wing base and to deal with the primaries to come. and to deal with the debate tonight. and who's around him, particularly the folks in the audience. some of whom do have some decent populous leanings but have a 19th century view of the country or michele bachmann an 18th century view. when she talks about the thing i'll bring, the bill of rights, the constitution and declaration of independence. >> mr. cohen, good to have you with us tonight. i appreciate your time. thanks so much. we'll visit more on these issues. let's bring in now -- let's bring in now a former pennsylvania senator rick santorum santorum, who was part of that debate tonight. senator, good to have you with us tonight. i appreciate your time. i must say, 15 years as a former conservative, i think i know